man i havent been on to defend God's word in so long(in MT).....im just so busy
with everything...i have a job now and a tight schedule....i even missed Jesus'
B day here too!darn....well praise the lord we are all still alive lol.
Quote by Persocom01Hey I'm back, well
at least for a while, anyway I got this via email and it might be
interesting:
Quote:
Subject: Fw: Children & Atheism in new Christmas movie
The Golden C o mpass
There will be a new children's movie out in December called "The Golden
Compass". The movie has been described as "atheism for kids" and
is based on the first book of a trilogy entitled "His Dark Materials"
that was written by Phillip Pullman. Pullman is a militant atheist and secular
humanist who despises C. S. Lewis and the "Chronicles of Narnia". His
motivation for writing this trilogy was specifically to counteract Lewis'
symbolisms of Christ that are portrayed in the Narnia series.
Clearly, Pullman's main objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism.
Pullman left little doubt about his intentions when he said in a 2003 interview
that "my books are about killing God." He has even stated that he
wants to "kill God in the minds of children". It has been said of
Pullman that he is "the writer the atheists would be praying for, if
atheists prayed."
While "The Golden Compass" movie itself may seem mild and innocent,
the books are a much different story. In the trilogy, a young streetwise girl
becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle to ultimately defeat the oppressive forces
of a senile God. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as "a
very powerful and convincing mistake." In the final book, characters
representing Adam and Eve eventually kill God, who at times is called YAHWEH.
Each book in the trilogy gets progressively worse regarding Pullman's hatred of
Jesus Christ.
"The Golden Compass" is set to premier on December 7, during the
Christmas season (and staring Nicole Kidman), and will probably be heavily
advertised.
Promoters hope that unsuspecting parents will take their children to see the
movie, that they will enjoy the movie, and that the children will want the books
for Christmas.
Please consider a boycott of the movie and the books. Also, pass this
information along to everyone you know (including church leaders). This will
help to educate parents, so that they will know the agenda of the movie. So many
things today are darkness concealed in what appears to be innocent. FYI.
On another note, welcome back, mei-san. And if anyone has anything you wish to
ask on Atheistic metaphysics, Christian metaphysics, Creation/Evolution etc...
feel free to post on my guestbook. I've invited the members of the MT-Atheists
to post on it for a long time now but they aren't very willing to do so. (for
whatever reason, perhaps it's because I say too much?) I may not always have the
right view but it's often good to know how someone else sees things as it might
lend insight to your thoughts. I also visited Chiang Mai, Thailand during my
absence, and here's a picture of some Mong kids. (Mong is the name of a Chinese
hill tribe)
oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are
killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this
problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then
all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and
ignorant.
merged: 11-11-2007 ~ 12:55am
Quote by Persocom01Hey I'm back, well
at least for a while, anyway I got this via email and it might be
interesting:
Quote:
Subject: Fw: Children & Atheism in new Christmas movie
The Golden C o mpass
There will be a new children's movie out in December called "The Golden
Compass". The movie has been described as "atheism for kids" and
is based on the first book of a trilogy entitled "His Dark Materials"
that was written by Phillip Pullman. Pullman is a militant atheist and secular
humanist who despises C. S. Lewis and the "Chronicles of Narnia". His
motivation for writing this trilogy was specifically to counteract Lewis'
symbolisms of Christ that are portrayed in the Narnia series.
Clearly, Pullman's main objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism.
Pullman left little doubt about his intentions when he said in a 2003 interview
that "my books are about killing God." He has even stated that he
wants to "kill God in the minds of children". It has been said of
Pullman that he is "the writer the atheists would be praying for, if
atheists prayed."
While "The Golden Compass" movie itself may seem mild and innocent,
the books are a much different story. In the trilogy, a young streetwise girl
becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle to ultimately defeat the oppressive forces
of a senile God. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as "a
very powerful and convincing mistake." In the final book, characters
representing Adam and Eve eventually kill God, who at times is called YAHWEH.
Each book in the trilogy gets progressively worse regarding Pullman's hatred of
Jesus Christ.
"The Golden Compass" is set to premier on December 7, during the
Christmas season (and staring Nicole Kidman), and will probably be heavily
advertised.
Promoters hope that unsuspecting parents will take their children to see the
movie, that they will enjoy the movie, and that the children will want the books
for Christmas.
Please consider a boycott of the movie and the books. Also, pass this
information along to everyone you know (including church leaders). This will
help to educate parents, so that they will know the agenda of the movie. So many
things today are darkness concealed in what appears to be innocent. FYI.
On another note, welcome back, mei-san. And if anyone has anything you wish to
ask on Atheistic metaphysics, Christian metaphysics, Creation/Evolution etc...
feel free to post on my guestbook. I've invited the members of the MT-Atheists
to post on it for a long time now but they aren't very willing to do so. (for
whatever reason, perhaps it's because I say too much?) I may not always have the
right view but it's often good to know how someone else sees things as it might
lend insight to your thoughts. I also visited Chiang Mai, Thailand during my
absence, and here's a picture of some Mong kids. (Mong is the name of a Chinese
hill tribe)
oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are
killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this
problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then
all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and
ignorant.
merged: 11-11-2007 ~ 12:55am
Quote by Persocom01Hey I'm back, well
at least for a while, anyway I got this via email and it might be
interesting:
Quote:
Subject: Fw: Children & Atheism in new Christmas movie
The Golden C o mpass
There will be a new children's movie out in December called "The Golden
Compass". The movie has been described as "atheism for kids" and
is based on the first book of a trilogy entitled "His Dark Materials"
that was written by Phillip Pullman. Pullman is a militant atheist and secular
humanist who despises C. S. Lewis and the "Chronicles of Narnia". His
motivation for writing this trilogy was specifically to counteract Lewis'
symbolisms of Christ that are portrayed in the Narnia series.
Clearly, Pullman's main objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism.
Pullman left little doubt about his intentions when he said in a 2003 interview
that "my books are about killing God." He has even stated that he
wants to "kill God in the minds of children". It has been said of
Pullman that he is "the writer the atheists would be praying for, if
atheists prayed."
While "The Golden Compass" movie itself may seem mild and innocent,
the books are a much different story. In the trilogy, a young streetwise girl
becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle to ultimately defeat the oppressive forces
of a senile God. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as "a
very powerful and convincing mistake." In the final book, characters
representing Adam and Eve eventually kill God, who at times is called YAHWEH.
Each book in the trilogy gets progressively worse regarding Pullman's hatred of
Jesus Christ.
"The Golden Compass" is set to premier on December 7, during the
Christmas season (and staring Nicole Kidman), and will probably be heavily
advertised.
Promoters hope that unsuspecting parents will take their children to see the
movie, that they will enjoy the movie, and that the children will want the books
for Christmas.
Please consider a boycott of the movie and the books. Also, pass this
information along to everyone you know (including church leaders). This will
help to educate parents, so that they will know the agenda of the movie. So many
things today are darkness concealed in what appears to be innocent. FYI.
On another note, welcome back, mei-san. And if anyone has anything you wish to
ask on Atheistic metaphysics, Christian metaphysics, Creation/Evolution etc...
feel free to post on my guestbook. I've invited the members of the MT-Atheists
to post on it for a long time now but they aren't very willing to do so. (for
whatever reason, perhaps it's because I say too much?) I may not always have the
right view but it's often good to know how someone else sees things as it might
lend insight to your thoughts. I also visited Chiang Mai, Thailand during my
absence, and here's a picture of some Mong kids. (Mong is the name of a Chinese
hill tribe)
oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are
killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this
problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then
all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and
ignorant.
merged: 11-11-2007 ~ 12:58am
Quote by vatican92I'm..........
tired........ of people..........
why are you tired of
people?for a christian,you sure seem sad pretty often...is everything ok?
Quote by marfish14I got my information
about whats going on in china thanks to my parents. My mother is into buddhism a
bit and gets news from a buddhist website, from another china. Now, where this
information came from is no longer relivant, because it has already been
confermed by the news. The only part that has not been is the sensless murder of
the monks, which were the few that hid in the monasteries to give this
information. Anyway, for the last little while there, there were no more monks
protesting, when their demands had not yet been met. I'm not sure they were ever
met, they always stop reporting on things like this and you dont know what
happens. Anyway, this site sent out emails to make sure the public really knew
what was going on. If you think that the news on tv are the most reliable source
of information, youd be wrong. The opinions are almost always biased, when it
comes to the police and your not always getting the correct information, if at
all on certain matters. Man your very, very thick. The fact that he's mentioning
oil wells, is odd. Why the hell should he care what they do with their oil? He
should be caring about civilion deaths, or american deaths, their economy and
structure of society. I'm aware that the americans are massacuring this country
(which you call a war), but he should care about the stability of the country,
after all, hes supposed to flush out the "bad ones", instead of
justing killing the lot.
merged: 10-11-2007 ~ 10:45am
if you wish to discuss this somewhere else, make a thread.
im
not thick.just smart.big deal if he mentions we arent going to harm the oil
wells....some people might be afraid if we did destrroy them because face it,we
get lots of oil from the middleeast.thats a simple concept.and he is caring
about civilian deaths and other deaths.thats why he talks about the war so
much....people die in war,and people sign up in the army and ect knowing that
their life is at risk for their country...we will mourn the deaths that happen
in the war,but will also move on because we all expected war to come with
casualties.and last but not least,he is flushing out the bad ones.but realize
the terrorists dont have a formal army and that they use guerilla warfare most
of the time.there's no telling who's bad an who's good.there will always be
civilian deaths for one reason or another...just stop using that as an excuse to
say america is bad.
Quote by marfish14You are very thick.
The fact that hes telling the people not to destroy oil wells, only fuels the
idea that he is after the countries oil deposites. Why would he care enough to
tell them? Anyway, I have an example of recent events that go to show you how
much of the real news you may be getting. Have you heard about the protests that
have been going on in china recently? It was said that the people were throwing
bricks at the police, and they had no choice but to shoot several people. In
reality, all the protests were peaceful, being monks and all, and they have been
going into the monasteries and shooting the monks, one by one. You actually have
to have news resources from out of our countries to find out about this as they
tried to keep it quiet. In the past week though, it would seem that this news
has finally become more well known, and been talked about in the united nations.
Now, in china, they shot journalists to keep this quiet, in the u.s., they
control what your allowed to publish in the news articles. So all you ever get
is the incredibly biased opinion, or perhaps lies if the government
wishes.
first,you clearly dictate that you oppose the
government of america,obviously.Second,who cares if we dont want to destroy the
oil wells....is there a point in destroying them?no.
I was wondering where you got your information about China's incident?
and last but not least,i dont think we should be debating here in the first
place.
Quote by marfish14Lol, so nothing
stikes you as odd to be asking them to not destroy oil well? When the war is
thought to be based on taking their oil? Havent you heard that one of your
countries biggest oil wells dried up recently? I even heard a joke about the war
recently, I found it quite amusing. He said "One of the things that
confuses me most about this war, is how did our oil...get beneath their
sand?" I had a good laugh after hearing that. I heard from a movie made
several years ago by michael moore about 9/11. Apparently george bush had been
on good terms with the taliban leader before, but then he got on bad terms. I
dont remember what had compelled them to attack the us, but the biggest factor
would be that he actually knew about a warning for the attack before hand. He
did nothing, and even when he heard the country was under attack, he just sat
back and kept reading his childrens book to a class of kindergardners rather
than taking action. I believe this was when they were acually looking for him
afghanistan, but now their in iraq, causing chaos and the guy is still in
afghanistan. Canadians seem to be the only ones still in there after 9/11, no
longer peace keeping unfortunately. So how did the people of iraq forge this war
again?
well micheal moore is anti american,really,all
together...some of the things he says arent even true...besides...if the oil
isnt hurting us,their isnt a point to destroying it....and realize that nations
need oil and that even if it is a plus doesnt mean that its the point of the war
because obviously it isnt...
Quote by marfish14No, they were not
doing horribly. They were a functioning country, but now they are not. They are
now in chaos thanks to the army. Actually, it is the government who gains from
this. Didnt I tell you in the last message what could be done to the country to
benefit them? It may not be them getting the money directly, because the oil
companies or other such businesses, could be bribing george bush with large
amounts of money to make this war. Did you hear him tell the country not to
destroy their oil wells? That should be ringing some bells. They even invaded
for a reason, which was changed when they didnt find any of the Weapons of Mass
Destruction. And what about the us's, I suppose theirs could be called, weapons
of mass ritiousness as they dont have to destroy and dismantle theirs. Like how
they liberated the city of Hiroshima them. If you dont know what the points are,
then dont mention it. I'm sure people know more than us on both sides of the
spectrum, but it makes little sense to just assume.
the
question is,why would we want to destroy the oil wells in the first place?and
the country is in the middle of a crazy war forged by terrorists...of course its
not in order...
Quote by marfish14Ive already told you
that the leader of the taliban isnt even in iraq, he's in afgahnistan. Their
country wasnt in utter chaos before the us went in there. They had order, now
their resources are lower in price because people dont want to do business with
a country at war so it comes alot cheaper. Besides, when you have a government
of your choice put into another country, your sure to be able to exploit them a
lot better. Now, they of course have terrorists, but the us army are considered
terrorists right now if you would like to look up the definition. The us wasnt
even needed in the country, they had order and yes there was a feud going on,
but now its way out of hand thanks to the us's help. Havent heard of that.
Sounds like ******** proprieted by the government to win over the public. Lol,
only conservative governments that want to suck up to the us help in wars like
these.
the government isnt going to gain anything by sending
some of the public to war(considering there are some deaths of course)The
country was doing horrible,and we came to help them.just because you dont like
civilian deaths(i dont like deaths either) and war,doesnt mean that this war is
pointless,because it definitely has many points above your knowledge.
Quote by marfish14The other countries
were following the u.s.'s lead. Its not a good thing to be on bad terms with the
u.s. as their more powerful than most countries. I must agree that it was the
individuals decision on what they all did. There are many places where the u.s.
could give aid to, but they chose to "help" a country that did not
need it. They shouldnt even have invaded iraq in the first place and the fact
that they changed their campaign for the war, makes it obvious that they were
not just going in there to "help" them.
merged: 09-25-2007 ~ 12:33pm
A nice one would have been to help in rwanda. As thousands died after the tutsi
came and murdered the hutus. Great that they can invade a country that doesnt
need it and let thousands die from an old fashioned
slaughter
help a country that did not need it huh?yeah
because a country ruled by an evil dictator doesnt need help....a country
littered with extremists and terrorists doesnt need our help....the fact that
the terrorists will attack us again doesnt and shouldnt phase us right?Of course
Iraq and the mid eastern countries could use help,and to even our benefit of
getting rid of terrorists.Countries all around the world are happy to see action
taken against the terrorists and support the US.Just recently,American troops
killed a high ranked terrorists and recovered a letter that said that Al queda
is being destroyed and is getting weaker.Thats excellent news and a big turn
around in the war.We are winning and we want to finish our job.
merged: 09-29-2007 ~ 04:50am
Quote by vatican92Mmm........ so I
guess US attacking Iraq for oil wasn't totally false.......?
I still don't understand why they did invade Iraq........
its not for oil,vatican....thats just a comment used by
people against the war....there is a bigger point to the war....read my previous
post.
Quote by vatican92It's nothing
important Mei-san
Just ignorance and the mistakes of mankind..........
It's not
really the mistake of mankind as it is the mistake of politicians.
LOL!
the choice to stand up to terrorists after a deadly
attack on the US is a great one....what other country would want to stand up to
the terrorists that destroy civilizations?The war went through some tough times
but we are now turning the tables quite easily,my friend.
Quote by vatican92Well......... so why
is US in Iraq trying to help Iraq when it's UN's job to do those
things?
i really dont know about the specific jobs...im no
expert on those kinda things,but do have great points why we should support our
troops and trust in them.
Quote by marfish14Did you hear about
the time when a group from the u.s. army saw a girl leaving the iraqi border and
followed her. They killed her family and everyone of them raped her, then they
killed her. I agree war, war isnt a picnic. But just because your from one side
it doesnt make it right.
you must realize that just because
someone is in the army doesnt make them a sinless decent person...things that
happen(like the thing you mentioned)are examples of indecent soldiers.That is
nor reason to blame the army.
Quote by kingray100did you guys hear
of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and they were talking
to some civilians...but later those civilians told the terrorists where they
were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you have to keep in
mind....war isnt a picnic.
Well, this may be used against
further involvement in the war in Iraq and reason to bring the troops home. The
people of Iraq are against U.S. occupation. If that's the case then bring the
troops home. If it were civilians telling U.S. forces where the terrorists were,
then I'd be more pro-war.
look,i dont see how I can explain
this but,half the country(Iraq) hates america and the other is celebrating US
help.Thats as generous as I can be about this topic.
did you guys hear of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and
they were talking to some civilians...but later those civilians told the
terrorists where they were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you
have to keep in mind....war isnt a picnic.
Quote by marfish14You know that their
happy, because youve seen the news present them as being happy and telling you
what their happy about. I believe I have seen the scene your talking about, but
you have to take into consideration, that if they werent satisfied with their
government, then what would the us be fighting in there for so many years? There
has been so much destruction to their cities and so many deaths. If they werent
satisfied, why would they not want the us's help? These are people like you and
me, they wouldnt be fighting back for no reason. If gives the impression that we
arent being told everything. It was against the united nations that the U.S. did
so and all they have done is create chaos. You obviously do not follow what goes
on in the world. I'm sure that if your cities lay in ruins, that you would be
terribly happy with the U.S.. We dont really even get enough news on the war to
really know what going on either. They'll sometimes give you a little blip of
something that makes you feel that american way crap, but still keeping you in
the dark. Besides, if they were liberating them, why would they need to change
their campaign. It used to be that they were looking for weapons of mass
destruction, but not finding any decided to change the campaign and hope for
support for their people. Since 9/11 shook everyone up pretty badly in the U.S.
many of the people had no quams and were just glad to be retaliating, to
something in the general area of the people involved. There are a few
conspiracies surrounding 9/11, but I'll not go into those. Not that I really put
too much faith in such things. Here are a couple of videos. One is just basicaly
against george bush and the war and the other talks about how he will gain
dictatorship under certain circumstances as of his order. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBPB5odB8A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXg6QOIsJE&mode=related&search=
the
reason we are still over there is because terrorists are killing people over
there....people in the middle east are people also.we want to end terrorism in
the most part.We would love to get out of there,but not until the job is done.
Quote by marfish14For one thing, I was
speaking about """""Evangelical
Christians""""". This is a sect of christianity, and
quite a large one at that. Here's a link to a documentary done on it. http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
Again, if your country was being invaded by people who wanted to overthrow your
government. Would you stand by and watch them do so? The more people stand up,
the more destruction and deaths, the more want to stand up. They used to have
order, but now it is utter chaos thanks to the U.S..
I never said that george bush was a dictator please do not misinterprate. He
infact stated on live television "You don't get everything you want. A
dictatorship would be a lot easier. So long as I'm the dictator" Of course
it would be, lol. Does this sound like a responsible government when your own
government has stated that it would rather it be a dictatorship? As I said, vote
for someone competant and someone who actually wants to give people
rights.
we
arent taking over.are you saying that the people preferred a dictator instead of
a democracy of some sort?a lot of people in the middle east are happy to see usa
support.
and if my country had a dictator and another country was helping us rebuild our
country,i would have no problem with it. thats all i will say right now.
Quote by marfish14You obviously didnt
read everything I wrote. The leader of the taliban is in afghanistan. No doubt
they would want to attack after the U.S. just went in and created anarchy. The
U.S. went in and took down the government, would you sit back and let people
from Iraq come in and take out George Bush? They were defending their country
from a country that wanted to attack them for reasons unknown. They even had to
change their campaign when they didnt find weapons of mass distruction and went
against the United Nations. Its basicaly a takeover, put in a friendly
government, and take their oil. Its dispicabe. By the way, your right that most
of the people fighting in Iraq are christians, or rather Evangelical Christians.
This sect of christianity believes that muslims are, infact evil. This is
literaly what they believe. They also believe that wizards are evil, that they
can talk to god and that global warming is a sham. Apparently this type of
christian makes up 40% of your population and are apparently the the largest
portion fighting in this war. Also, you define terrorists as basicaly any muslim
who defies the U.S., did you know they had are had time defining the word to
make the U.S. sound like one? Actually, they are defined by it. Its unfortunate
but I cannot say that there is a way to back out of the massacre that youve
started. All the U.S. has done is mutilated these poor people who almost all
probably had nothing to do with 9/11. After all, the leader of the taliban isnt
there. Do you even have any details about how the war is going? If it wasnt for
a shady purpose that would get the publics attention they would air it. george
bush is an idiot, havent you seen that from his speaches? He's probably go down
in history as the stupidest voted in leader of any country. This isnt a war, its
a massacre. I wouldnt doubt that if they got the chance they would attack, after
the destruction and mutilation of their country. Hears some advice, when your
old enough to vote. Vote for someone who's actually competent and not someone
whose into being a dictator.
well,i dont know what wacky poll
you read when saying christians think muslims are evil,because in the most case
they arent....christians just believe they are slightly misguided.and i dont
have a problem with glbal warming...its still in the neutral side for me and
other christians.
and sorry to say it,but there are basically civilian deaths in every war,and i
dont know if you know this but there are stories of when soldiers spared people
and turns out that they end up killing a soldier with a bomb.Terrorists dont
have a formal army...they use guerilla warfare.there's almost no idea who the
actual enemy could be.
last but not least,you dont understand what a dictator is.If you define Bush as
a dictator,not only are you part of the far left but are uneducated about
dictators...Bush uses no force,simply uses the presidential powers he has
fairly,explaining how the war shouldn't be gave up on.Bush is indeed a
patriot.Kudos to him,and anyone else who supports our troops and the unpopular
yet correct president.
merged: 09-19-2007 ~ 04:02am
Quote by vatican92Wow you guys wrote a
lot.........
I do not have any knowledge on any other wars but I have a comment on the
Vietnamese war
I personally think it was irrational for US to go into Vietnam
Firstly, after the Japanese were driven out from Vietnam, the French invaded
Vietnam again and US did nothing to rebuke this action
But when communism began to take power in Vietnam, US decided to enter Vietnam
and kill thousands of innocent civilians and poison the crops and the water just
because of a hypothetical conjecture that communism will spread to neighboring
countries
And eventually they got nothing out of the whole war for Vietnam stayed a
communist nation after US left
War is meaningless......... only a cycle of endless murder and hatred
But ironic that people have to fight back........
Marfish: And whether it's a Christian or Muslim fighting for the war, you have
to consider the motive for each and every person and why they are fighting
Some people might fight not because of the hatred against Christians or Muslim
but for their country or just because they felt obligated to..........
Whatever the reason may be, I am against killing
I do agree that some Christians are rather disgusting
But I think majority of people are assuming that all Christians are just pious,
self-righteous saints who are actually greedy to the core
And I cannot fully defy this proclamation for it is not fully false
But people need to realize that it is an imprudent action when they catagorize
people of any belief because every individual is different
That's why there are so many religions now
Also agreed....... I thought that Bush was a terrible president and even
wondered why he was voted the second time
Mei-san: I do not really enjoy when people call me emo or goth........ but I
guess it's not surprising considering how I might look through other people's
eyes..........
Well........ war is an ethical topic that can be discussed in any perspective
whether Christians or Buddhist or whatever
And this group isn't always about Christianity is
it?
vatican,your a christian right?well you should be
happier,right?Things in life arent perfect,but they will pass.I will pray for
your happiness because you are a smart person and deserve to be happy.
Quote by marfish14Vietnam was a
pointless war, and so it the one in Iraq. They didnt even have anything to do
with 9/11, that was the taliban. Just the fact that they changed their campaign
for the war and went against the united nations should have been enough. Us
Canadians are fighting in afgahnistan where the leader of your 9/11 is. Not that
I approve of Steven Harpers decision to join in. What happened to the country we
once knew to be peace keeping and kind? Especially since the U.S. owed us
billions of dollars and we ripped up the contract. Not that I approve of that
either. There goes a nice tax break. Anyway, maybe if the U.S. didnt vote for
stupid presidents that fight in countries where no one approves of their
decision to go, then maybe they wouldnt have so many enemies. Remember, the U.S.
is in a war. This means that as long as your in there, they will fight back and
perhaps hurt one of your cities. Same for us Canadians. Damn steven harper
sucks. War does not come without consequences. Remember that next time you see
any sort of attacks on our stronger countries. Those disastors you see happen in
others countries everyday. 9/11 was horrible, but the people of our countries
have not seen disastors like these and are very sensitive to them. Now my point
is, why should you be fighting, and killing people who had a stable government
before you went in there? The place is a reck now, yet I see no hippies
protesting. There is one statement from family guy I do believe is completely
true "we lost the values, but we kept the weed". I say, get yourselves
a new government and stop listening to the idiot you have now.
the war isnt pointless....we are killing terrorists everyday
that are willing to kill americans....benifits of this war:a new ally,oil
problems decrease slightly,destruction of terrorists(taliban).
if we run,there is no question that the taliban or whatever is going to attack
again.we will come home sad from the war,and then be attacked again,forcing us
into another war that should have ended already.Like i said,sacrifices will
always be made in war....and whats interesting on this is,a lot of those men
dying out there are christians that are happy to fight for what they believe
in,to protect their family and friends,and when death comes,they know that God
will greet them with open arms.The only reason people dont like Pres. Bush is
because the war is lasting a little long and deaths occur.Lets face it,war is a
long thing that doesnt end in a week,and there will be casualties.
Protests happen at every war,and its really annoying,actually.We all know how
much we want everyone to come back from war,but our job isnt done yet.We've made
sacrifices and now we understand that maybe these sacrifices werent in
vain.
Quote by kingray100well thats the
point though!if we leave,then it WILL BE another vietnam.we just heard that we
are aking progress and americans still want to run away,expecting that
terrorists wont come over and bomb us again.
Well, I've heard
conflicting reports. Some sources say things can't get any worse, some say
things are getting better. I don't know. Alot of tangled wires over in the
Middle East. I'm concerned with the budget deficit we have right now. I'm not
comfortable with the current budget deficit.
if you are
watching the news,General Petraus made statements that the war is making
progress.The president and the genral both say this....how are democrats and
civilians really going to protest and say we are losing?As if they were in
iraq....The president and general were both in Iraq and have seen what
happens....we should trust our leaders of america and not only support our
troops but pray for them.
Quote by kingray100so let me get this
straight....you love war?
No, as vatican92 said, I love the
history-making. For one lone gunmen (gunman?...) from a small radical group to
make such a difference and have the most powerful empires in the world fight
each other and then, almost a century later, several occurences can be traced
back to the "Great War"... sigh, sorry, it's all just so... it's like
a movie... but it's relevant... understand, history, in one way or another,
leaves it's impact. And we have the Lost Generation, those who are still alive
lived through The Great Depression, World War 2, The Cuban Missile Crisis, the
Korean War, the Vietnam War, The Fall of the Wall, the Moon Landing... I mean,
the wisdom and the stories they have to tell... *Takes deep breath*... I'm
sorry... it's just that... I have alot of respect... and admiration... for The
Lost Generation.....
Quote: people who oppose war are
just doing it for the obvious reasons....people die...and when their son or
daughter dies,they think that the war needs to be stopped....face it,death
occurs in war...we arent a perfect country that is immune to death...there will
be sacrifices...thats all i wanted to say on the war on
terror...
Well, you have to understand, people are in fear of
another Vietnam where after years of fighting, in the end, we left Vietnam with
50,000 American Soldiers dead and many more South Vietnamese soldiers dead. Some
people believe we aren't going to get anywhere and we'll ultimately leave Iraq
and such with thousands dead. It's difficult to tell what'll happen and that's
what scares people the most. I don't know much of the war in the Middle East so
I don't have an opinion on this issue yet.
well thats the
point though!if we leave,then it WILL BE another vietnam.we just heard that we
are aking progress and americans still want to run away,expecting that
terrorists wont come over and bomb us again.
Quote by vatican92Yes it does
Kokuyu......... it makes a lot of difference that you are a male human
being............. wait............ maybe not............. bleh........ who
cares?
Masculinity doesn't appeal to me much either
Nor does femininity.......
I prefer the middle........ not homosexuals but........ just prosaic, mundane
human..........
Agreed...... I don't like prejudice against a certain gender for everybody is an
individual.......... although you must admit that gender does catagorize the
human race in a certain way
.............. odd choice of avatars...........
I think he meant that he is fascinated with the process of how history is made
and how we are part of it even now........
Although the current world affairs seem rather dull and full of meaningless wars and
agressions
well since we are starting on the topic of
war,lets talk about it....
I think the war America is in makes total sense and that people are overreacting
like they do in every war....
We are fighting terrorists that want to kill us...simple as that....also we are
going to make an ally out of afganistan after everything is done...more friends
the better, i say.
people who oppose war are just doing it for the obvious reasons....people
die...and when their son or daughter dies,they think that the war needs to be
stopped....
face it,death occurs in war...we arent a perfect country that is immune to
death...there will be sacrifices...
Quote by vatican92I see....... world
war one
I do not really understand your reason for your interest in that topic but okay
I love it. Who would've thought an
assassination which took place in a couple of seconds would decide the fate of millions of lives in the 20th century and beyond! I wish I was
there to witness history in the making! Such meaningless killing inspired many
to question "God and Country", the leaders they elected, the direction
humanity was headed, the future of warfare, the creation of the "Lost
Generation", it brought about a new world order... One of the greatest
tragedies of the "Great War" was that it would be followed by an even
greater and deadlier war. Indeed, I long to meet a member of the "Lost
Generation"... There are still some that are alive, believe it or not...
Sigh, life is tough... Sorry, I digress...
wat in the world r u guys talkin about lol?is war really that interesting?
man i havent been on to defend God's word in so long(in MT).....im just so busy with everything...i have a job now and a tight schedule....i even missed Jesus' B day here too!darn....well praise the lord we are all still alive lol.
why would that be bad?just wondering.
oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and ignorant.
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oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and ignorant.
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oh my,how sinister!thats like hitler making a show showing how Jews are killed!this is an outrage!I will look to higher audiences to address this problematic movie.That movie is the worst movie I would ever hear of,worse then all those evil movies degrading our troops and country put together.How rude and ignorant.
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why are you tired of people?for a christian,you sure seem sad pretty often...is everything ok?
well just apply...and im sure u will be a regular member soon!
God bless Everyone!whoo!
um....yeah....
agreed...pm me marfish if you wanna continue this debate....
im not thick.just smart.big deal if he mentions we arent going to harm the oil wells....some people might be afraid if we did destrroy them because face it,we get lots of oil from the middleeast.thats a simple concept.and he is caring about civilian deaths and other deaths.thats why he talks about the war so much....people die in war,and people sign up in the army and ect knowing that their life is at risk for their country...we will mourn the deaths that happen in the war,but will also move on because we all expected war to come with casualties.and last but not least,he is flushing out the bad ones.but realize the terrorists dont have a formal army and that they use guerilla warfare most of the time.there's no telling who's bad an who's good.there will always be civilian deaths for one reason or another...just stop using that as an excuse to say america is bad.
first,you clearly dictate that you oppose the government of america,obviously.Second,who cares if we dont want to destroy the oil wells....is there a point in destroying them?no.
I was wondering where you got your information about China's incident?
and last but not least,i dont think we should be debating here in the first place.
sure go ahead!welcome!May god bless you!
well micheal moore is anti american,really,all together...some of the things he says arent even true...besides...if the oil isnt hurting us,their isnt a point to destroying it....and realize that nations need oil and that even if it is a plus doesnt mean that its the point of the war because obviously it isnt...
the question is,why would we want to destroy the oil wells in the first place?and the country is in the middle of a crazy war forged by terrorists...of course its not in order...
the government isnt going to gain anything by sending some of the public to war(considering there are some deaths of course)The country was doing horrible,and we came to help them.just because you dont like civilian deaths(i dont like deaths either) and war,doesnt mean that this war is pointless,because it definitely has many points above your knowledge.
help a country that did not need it huh?yeah because a country ruled by an evil dictator doesnt need help....a country littered with extremists and terrorists doesnt need our help....the fact that the terrorists will attack us again doesnt and shouldnt phase us right?Of course Iraq and the mid eastern countries could use help,and to even our benefit of getting rid of terrorists.Countries all around the world are happy to see action taken against the terrorists and support the US.Just recently,American troops killed a high ranked terrorists and recovered a letter that said that Al queda is being destroyed and is getting weaker.Thats excellent news and a big turn around in the war.We are winning and we want to finish our job.
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its not for oil,vatican....thats just a comment used by people against the war....there is a bigger point to the war....read my previous post.
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the choice to stand up to terrorists after a deadly attack on the US is a great one....what other country would want to stand up to the terrorists that destroy civilizations?The war went through some tough times but we are now turning the tables quite easily,my friend.
i really dont know about the specific jobs...im no expert on those kinda things,but do have great points why we should support our troops and trust in them.
you must realize that just because someone is in the army doesnt make them a sinless decent person...things that happen(like the thing you mentioned)are examples of indecent soldiers.That is nor reason to blame the army.
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look,i dont see how I can explain this but,half the country(Iraq) hates america and the other is celebrating US help.Thats as generous as I can be about this topic.
did you guys hear of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and they were talking to some civilians...but later those civilians told the terrorists where they were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you have to keep in mind....war isnt a picnic.
the reason we are still over there is because terrorists are killing people over there....people in the middle east are people also.we want to end terrorism in the most part.We would love to get out of there,but not until the job is done.
we arent taking over.are you saying that the people preferred a dictator instead of a democracy of some sort?a lot of people in the middle east are happy to see usa support.
and if my country had a dictator and another country was helping us rebuild our country,i would have no problem with it. thats all i will say right now.
well,i dont know what wacky poll you read when saying christians think muslims are evil,because in the most case they arent....christians just believe they are slightly misguided.and i dont have a problem with glbal warming...its still in the neutral side for me and other christians.
and sorry to say it,but there are basically civilian deaths in every war,and i dont know if you know this but there are stories of when soldiers spared people and turns out that they end up killing a soldier with a bomb.Terrorists dont have a formal army...they use guerilla warfare.there's almost no idea who the actual enemy could be.
last but not least,you dont understand what a dictator is.If you define Bush as a dictator,not only are you part of the far left but are uneducated about dictators...Bush uses no force,simply uses the presidential powers he has fairly,explaining how the war shouldn't be gave up on.Bush is indeed a patriot.Kudos to him,and anyone else who supports our troops and the unpopular yet correct president.
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vatican,your a christian right?well you should be happier,right?Things in life arent perfect,but they will pass.I will pray for your happiness because you are a smart person and deserve to be happy.
the war isnt pointless....we are killing terrorists everyday that are willing to kill americans....benifits of this war:a new ally,oil problems decrease slightly,destruction of terrorists(taliban).
if we run,there is no question that the taliban or whatever is going to attack again.we will come home sad from the war,and then be attacked again,forcing us into another war that should have ended already.Like i said,sacrifices will always be made in war....and whats interesting on this is,a lot of those men dying out there are christians that are happy to fight for what they believe in,to protect their family and friends,and when death comes,they know that God will greet them with open arms.The only reason people dont like Pres. Bush is because the war is lasting a little long and deaths occur.Lets face it,war is a long thing that doesnt end in a week,and there will be casualties.
Protests happen at every war,and its really annoying,actually.We all know how much we want everyone to come back from war,but our job isnt done yet.We've made sacrifices and now we understand that maybe these sacrifices werent in vain.
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if you are watching the news,General Petraus made statements that the war is making progress.The president and the genral both say this....how are democrats and civilians really going to protest and say we are losing?As if they were in iraq....The president and general were both in Iraq and have seen what happens....we should trust our leaders of america and not only support our troops but pray for them.
well thats the point though!if we leave,then it WILL BE another vietnam.we just heard that we are aking progress and americans still want to run away,expecting that terrorists wont come over and bomb us again.
well since we are starting on the topic of war,lets talk about it....
I think the war America is in makes total sense and that people are overreacting like they do in every war....
We are fighting terrorists that want to kill us...simple as that....also we are going to make an ally out of afganistan after everything is done...more friends the better, i say.
people who oppose war are just doing it for the obvious reasons....people die...and when their son or daughter dies,they think that the war needs to be stopped....
face it,death occurs in war...we arent a perfect country that is immune to death...there will be sacrifices...
thats all i wanted to say on the war on terror...
so let me get this straight....you love war?